Sm4sh Thread

I've actually never played a previous Smash game (besides Brawl, twice), and I think this is pretty fun! Im terrible and I mostly do fandom's because I haven't figures out a fighting style yet, but its pretty fun. I'm leaning towards Samus or Greninja as my main. Does anyone have any experience, good or bad, with these characters?

I don't know what I'm doing so I just button mash and try to get items. It works okayish I guess. I can't even beat my level 9 amiibo though...

Well, I beat Classic for the first time. On 0.0 intensity because I fail at Smash and am going to get better.

I've actually never been able to play as Mewtwo due to the only Smash game I've played prior to Sm4sh being Brawl (and only as Samus because Metroid), but he seems like an interesting character.

Ye saem. I never really played melee due to me not getting into gaming until like, 2010, so I'm not familiar with mewtwo, but I was actually really good with Lucas and I'm hoping to be able to play as well with him as I did in brawl.

I remember the good old days when I first played brawl. I had no idea that the A button did anything. (I was very very young)

Anyways, I main Dedede and DK. I've always found heavy characters more fun to play and even more satisfying to win with.

We all mained Kirby back in the Brawl days, back when we didn't know anything but specials. Good times.

I was under the impression you mained G&W, seeing that you mainly played as him against me, and quite well at that. uair juggling game 3stronk

Kirbrawl master race, UNITE!

But yeah, brawl will always be my favourite game in the series, even if it has tripping and floatiness. Then project M was made and I just noped and waited for smash 3DS.
Yeah... the kind of people I don't like are those that list the smash games like this: Smash 64, Melee, Project M, and smash 4. Those people exist.


EDIT: I just found out that Pac-Man is my new calling. Sorry dedede, i'll keep you for brawl!

Yep.

I use Dedede and others but usually forget how good I am at him (usually). Especially good when people are too dumb to know how to punish his Up Special. Or when they think I won't reflect my reflected Gordos. OR when they try to shield/counter Jet Hammer. ORRRRR when they try to meteor smash me.

I swear I have never been meteor'd ONCE in Smash U and only twice on 3DS. Disrespect always gets me though...

Didn't see this. Greninja's main business is Shadow Sneak, and on some stages you can barely even see it coming! Don't rely on that alone though, but it's an amazing way to teleport out of a combo or make your opponent's attempt at chasing you backfire. It does a noticeably higher amount of damage and knockback when you hit the foe with your back to them where you appear, and you have super armor for just a second when you first activate it. Don't count on that though, and remember you don't ALWAYS have to use the sneak from a ways away. It's a good mix-up for a dash grab/attack, or to dodge some projectiles. But be aware that it's VERRRRY punishable, but your opponent has to see it coming. If you notice they do, prepare to do some DI.
Water shuriken is good for getting cheap KOs from on the stage, and can be used similarly to Mega Man's Charge Shot when fully charged. When your opponent goes of the stage, use this move at a good time so they're snagged in it. Or--my personal fave method of using this attack: throw an uncharged one at a foe approaching from the ground. It'll either stun them or force them to block/jump. If they get stunned or block, quickly dash in for a free grab. This is SO useful for setting up grab combos (Dthrow to ??? at low percents, Uthrow to Uair at medium percents, or just Bthrow at higher percents unless at ledge, in which case do Fthrow to Shuriken spam). Also try this on airborne foes close to ground to stop them.
Hydro Pump... is a good recovery. It has some fancy-shmancy technical stuff that I don't even get, all I know is that you can push opponents with it. Try that maybe.
Then Substitute. Ohh-ho-ho-hooooo, Substitute... where do I begin? First, the move has a tiny counter window, so use it sparingly. But if you can pull off a counter, you can input any direction and Greninja will fly that way, kicking anyone who comes in your path. I like to go UP and then do an air combo of either a bunch of Dairs or a KO with a Uair. But since the move only counters where you were HIT, side-counters cover more area as to hit a foe using a sliding dash attack or something. But remember the moves lacks invincibility frames, so think fast on where you're going to launch the counter from. For beginners, it's hard to go wrong with a side-counter. Also a tip on counters in general: NEVER. And I mean NEVER try to counter Dedede's Jet Hammer or Kirby's Hammer Flip... try to hitstun the move out of them with a Water Shuriken or, if you're not Greninja, aerial attacks or Little Mac's Jolt Haymaker.
Then jabs. Good jab. Reflects Gordos and cancels Villager's tree for the first hit. Flurry is good for punishing spotdodges or a weak combo with Dthrow at very low percents.
Fsmash: Not so hot. You have better luck using a the sneak, but it's good for dazed opponents... if you even manage to do that in a no-customs fight. 
Dsmash: Better that Fsmash, good for roll punishes and the occasional ledge punish.
Usmash: Use if a foe is above you. Comes out quicker than other smashes and has a deadly sweetspot directly above you. Good for a predicted jump approach and an AMAZING killing move. But for ground killing stick with Dsmash.
Fair: Sometimes combos out of Dthrow... sometimes not. Quick enough and pretty versatile, but lacks range. Good killing though for off-stage foes too high up for a shuriken.
Bair: Good for finishing a combo after an Ucounter, or just hitting your opponent in general.
Dair: Tricky to predict and tricky to counter, but do NOT try to get the spike with it.
Uair: Meh. Solid move, but nothing stands out too much. Good juggling, I guess? Can finish combos well, too.
Nair: Ask someone else, I can never get this move right.

And that's about all I know. Try Greninja out, he's really fun to use.

As a side note I got my first SmashU meteor two weeks ago... 
Still won the match, though. 

Greninja is actually my main in Sm4sh right now. He can be pretty fun to play, but difficult to learn. All of what Osha and Lenrap already pointed out is good advice. Got a little bit I can add.

Jab: Greninja's initial jab is insanely fast. A pretty reliable choice when you're in close proximity to your opponent. The flurry will gradually push foes out, though, so finish it before they escape.

Shadow Sneak: This can actually be used in midair and even over pits, although you can't see the shadow. It can be great for horizontal recovery if you're knocked high into the air. Hydro Pump can also be used afterwards for additional distance.

Hydro Pump: Basically a better version of Mario's F.L.U.D.D. that doesn't need charging. Great recovery, and a great way to keep other players off the stage. It's really hard to do, but when a player tries to recover, you can use Hydro Pump to push them away from the platform. The knockback increases at higher percents.

Nair: I've never really found much reason to use this. It can be hard to land and is usually inferior to the other airs.

Uair: There was an interesting spike you could do by canceling this move halfway through or something, but I'm pretty sure it's been patched out. Alright knockback at the end of the attack.

Dair: The temptation to spam can be great, but be careful. It can be easily predicted and, if you miss, punished afterwards.

Counter: Great counter, but I've noticed that it doesn't seem to work on some moves because of hitboxes. The only example I can think of is Sonic's rolling attacks. Your counter will collide with the roll and they'll cancel each other.

Greninja doesn't really have any reliable combos, at least none that I know of. This can make him a bit difficult to play, but he's very quick and stays relatively low to the ground, so use that to your advantage.